Poll: Is Racial Profiling a Problem on the North Shore?
After a biker said he was unfairly ticketed by the Glencoe Police Department, Patch readers are discussing the issue of racial profiling. We want to hear from you.
An Evanston man who said he experienced racial profiling while biking through a construction zone in Glencoe, has taken steps to sue the Glencoe Department of Public Safety.
The local reverend, who is black, alleges that a Glencoe officer pulled him over on his bicycle and issued him a ticket, while multiple white cyclists entering the no-biking zone were not pulled over.
In the comments on our most recent story on the potential lawsuit in Glencoe, readers took both sides.
"Sounds to me like the reverend is looking for some attention," said commenter ebuddha.
Meanwhile, commenter Melissa disagreed.
"Yes, It's true," she said. "He is doing this because he got unwanted attention. Glencoe, Glenview, Skokie police all do that to minorities. Even when you call them because you need their help, they treat minorities different than whites...I've seen it for years."
This isn't the first time someone has suggested that racial profiling goes on in the North Shore. In 2000, the Rev. Jesse Jackson called for a federal investigation into the Highland Park Police Department, after five officers claimed the department encouraged police to target certain groups unfairly. The city worked with the ACLU to create and implement a plan designed to prevent the practice within its police force.
What do you think? Vote in our poll and tell us your experiences in the comments.
Richard Schulte
8:04 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
With the unemployment rate for black folks near 15 percent and the unemployment rate for black teenagers near 50 percent, we're talking about racial profiling? How about let's talk about something really important, like putting America back to work. Without a job, all that other stuff is pretty much meaningless.
Martha Moser
8:24 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
I agree with Richard Schulte. Let's get more positive mental energy out into the ether for the good of all. Negativity is tiresome, and I'm bored with the same old drama.
Winnetka
9:01 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
AMEN!
The Q
8:55 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
All the Deerfield cops do is racial profile......
Richard Schulte
9:13 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Being a police officer is the toughest job that I know of. One way to make a police officer's job just a little easier is to stop attacking them for just doing their job.
The next time you see a police officer, thank them for doing a thankless job. And, no I'm not a police officer and neither are any of my relatives.
Millie
9:48 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Q Perhaps if you would follow the rules of road you wouldn't get stopped
Guido McGinty
1:45 pm on Thursday, July 12, 2012
"Being a police officer is the toughest job that I know of."
I spy a uniform fetishist.
Richard Schulte
9:15 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Just one correction to the article, the Village of Glencoe does not have a police department-it's a Public Safety Department. The Glencoe Public Safety Department is a combined police, fire and EMS department. Police officers are cross-trained to perform as fire fighters and EMS personnel.
Jennifer Fisher
12:23 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Thanks for pointing out the mistake, Richard. We've updated the article to include the correct title. We sincerely regret the error!
Willie Wilmette
9:22 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
There is no way any of us as individuals is qualified to answer the poll. That said, I have never seen the cops in harassing the black family across the street.
Marilyn Thompson
10:48 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
I agree. As I white person, I am unqualified to comment. But I wouldn't be surprised if racial profiling were being done -- even though the officers may not be aware they are doing it. We all need to be more aware of our own prejudices and be careful not to let them cloud our dealings with others.
Winnetka
7:58 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
@ Marilyn T. "as a white person, I am unqualified to comment." Huh?? So skin color is your only basis for ethnicity?? In that statement you have discriminated-against yourself!! You need to brush up on the facts dear. Have you heard about the centuries long feud between the Irish and Brits? Serbs v Bosniaks? They're essentially the same "skin color", but they absolutely believe they are very different. Who in there life hasn't faced some sort of bias or discrimination? Being black does not assign one moral authority on all issues race/ethnicity related. For some reason, so called "whites" have been brainwashed into thinking they are not allowed to register an opinion on race issues, and be proud of their ethnicity w/out being branded a white supremacist. By 2040 this country will no longer be a "white" majority. Already the term "minority-majority" is being thrown around to describe the groups that will be in the majority. I'm sure you can guess what groups they mean. I won't hold my breath waiting for "them" to give special treatment to the new minority-"whites" when that day rolls around.
Ed60062
9:54 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
The poll is meaningless and one incident does not equal profiling. Every speeder has the same comment: "what about all the other speeders?" The cops can't catch everyone and someone is going to be the unlucky one. Break the law and pay the consequences without whining.
TJ Wheeler
11:11 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
While I agree with the above comments that we have better things to do than discuss racial profiling, I think that in light of recent incidents (not just the incident with Glencoe but with others in suburban Chicago), I think that police officers and ALL public officials that go through on-the-job training in their career just be aware of things like this.
Richard Schulte
11:20 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
TJ Wheeler: ". . . I think that police officers and ALL public officials that go through on-the-job training in their career just be aware of things like this."
I'm sure it's already being done.
Jeanne Sager
12:32 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
I have lived in Glencoe for over 35 years and our public safety department is one of the best and made up of great men and women. I'm tired of some people making issues out of their wrong doings! They seem to have a big chip on their shoulders.
McCloud
2:58 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
At what point does profiling get confused with police work? Why are these articles being written? HMMM.
Richard Schulte
3:12 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
McCloud: Why are these articles being written?
To distract us from what's really important-the economy and Obamacare. Obamacare is one of the root causes of this miserable economy-let's repeal Obamacare and put America back to wrok.
J.Lyn
6:59 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
I grew up in Glencoe and have lived there the better part of my adult life. When I was in my 20's I dated a member of the Public Safety Department. A Commander at the time...as a matter of fact. Do the patrols racially profile? Absolutely. Got that straight from the horses mouth. They treat the (and this extends from the towns to the north and south to Evanston) as if it were a gated community. The wealth and population demand it. To those in the know...it is no secret. The people who voted no are simply naive.
Life is Good
7:33 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Where are your facts, J.Lyn? You have made a very broad statement..... in your 20's which was what, 20 or so years ago? Extends from the towns to the north and south to Evanston? How do you know what every police department is doing or not doing?
LaVerne
7:45 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
J.Lyn So your ex boyfriend Racial Profiled? Can see why hes an ex if thats what you talk about on dates
Winnetka
8:05 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
@J.Lyn is an attention seeking troll. Furthermore..when was "she" in her 20's...the 1960's??
The North Shore public safety officers these days are comprised of a group of men and women of varied ethnic backgrounds.
J.Lyn
9:38 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Life is Good...If you think that I am going to divulge anything further and thereby compromise anyone's identity or reputation you are wrong. I know what I know based on a relationship in my life. Police departments do not conduct business in a vacuum...they are in constant communication with neighboring departments. And...I was in constant communication...albeit intimately for several years with the Commander of one...thereby affording me information of others. Enuff said.
Lucas...When people are in a relationship...yes...they do discuss each others jobs.
It's part of being together. Enuff said.
Winnetka...North Shore public safety officers have been a diverse group of ethnic backgrounds for a very long time. And...yes...there is black on black profiling. They are doing what is expected of them in the positions they hold. It's not personal... it's professional. By your comment regarding the 60's...you must think that discrimination is a relic of a bygone era. LoL... think it is time for you to face some unfortunate realities. Given that your name here is Winnertka...I am going to make an educated guess you are living in Winnetka. Ahhhhh...the home of fortunate realities. A rarity indeed. And...were I to need attention this would be one of the last places I would go looking for it. Just sharing knowledge. Enuff said
Life is Good
5:47 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
*Enough
jab Zion
7:07 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
I have lived in deerfeild for 4 years and I can not say that I have ever been racially profiled. However I can say for sure that people who live around here are just more snotty and unwillinging to embrace things as openly or quickly as compared to Chicago! And as for our police departments: they rock!
David Greenberg
7:13 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
The Rev. broke the law and he happens to be black. The cop happened to see him breaking the law and effected a stop. While the cop's dealing with the lawbreaking Reverend, other bicyclists happen to go by and break the law. Some of those bicyclists were not black.
So by the insane race-baiting mentality, the Cop is supposed to cease effecting the stop of one individual to go after some others? Huh? How's that work? Lock the Rev in the back of the cop car and go chasing after them? Let the Rev stay there "on his honor and promise that he won't go anywhere and will wait for the Cop to come back"?
We're not talking about a murder, robbery, or some violent act - we're talking about bicyclists violating some signage so you deal with the current law breaker, and after you're done with that one, you maybe drive up the road to see if you can catch up with the other lawbreakers. Or maybe you radio to some other cops. Or maybe you've seen those people in the area before so you figure you'll catch up with them the next day.
Whatever. Continuing to deal with the current case at hand does not make one a racist for not going after other cases that happen to be occurring simultaneously.
The long and the short of this is a Reverend decided to break the law. He got caught. He was getting ticketed. If he hadn't broken the law, it wouldn't have been a problem. He's over 18 - the onus was on him to figure out how to comply with a directional sign
Winnetka
8:09 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
@ DG...you are way too logical. If only most people were. You know logic isn't what people want, right? They want drama and celebrity. That is what this is all about.
David Greenberg
8:22 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
@Winnetka: You got me. I'm an analytical by nature :-)
Seriously, I realize that this is all about the drama trying to distract from the real issue - that someone broke the law, got caught, and is trying to wiggle out of it.
The real shame is that these Reverends have a great ability to influence their flocks. If only they would use that influence to help their flocks help themselves. I've been listening to Rev. Jackson, et. al for what - 40+ years now and I keep hearing the same ole same ole. How about these guys sit down and figure out a way to get their flocks to work on solving the issues that confront them?
Oh wait... sorry. Being logical again. My bad...
Mike Kruger
9:19 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
I cannot comment on racial profiling, but I am a member of the Evanston Bicycle Club, and this clearly isn't the first person who's gotten a ticket by bicycling through that construction zone instead of going around. It's clearly marked with signage. On June 15, Glencoe contacted us (and probably other cycling groups) with an informational warning.
The point is, riding through construction zones is not safe, and is particularly unwise when there are good parallel routes available, as is the case here.
Anne
11:23 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012
Sheesh! Just another person using the race card. When will we just be people?
Mark T
1:22 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
I have absolutely no idea if this specific incident was racially motivated. However ALL of the data suggest that police stop blacks more often than whites even when whites are more likely to commit the specific crime. I can quote study after study showing this is true. Here is are some examples:
http://www.rightsworkinggroup.org/content/racial-profiling-apparent-illinois-police-data
http://igpa.uillinois.edu/library/racial-profiling-and-illinois-policy-legislators-can-force-and-end-racist-stops
David Greenberg
7:29 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Except that in this case, the Rev. was caught in the act committing the crime. He only complained about it because as he was in the process of being arrested, he viewed some individuals of another race riding by, committing the same violation. Hence his claim that the only reason he was pulled over is because of so-called "Racial Profiling".
Anne
8:30 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012
If you feel like a victim you'll act like a victim. Next time I get a ticket or I'm stopped or I'm questioned, I'm going to suggest its racial profiling regardless of my color.
Millie
8:47 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012
Any ethnic or racial group could probably claim profiling of one kind or another.
george lemieux
10:04 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012
I hate cops for taking my money with a seat-belt ticket when I was "flying" with 35 miles per hour :), Tue morning. Which bad guy is driving at 630 in the morning, ei? So I hate cops. That being said...without police, we are all dead, by lunchtime, so I love cops. Boy, it is complicated...I can't imagine how complicated must be for the cops themselves...knowing that we despise and respect them in the same time :) I don't know how much a cop makes but I'm sure is not even close to what they should be making based on their stress level. And ours hahahahahha.
Carlo
12:24 pm on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
This not new news and this no secret! Glenco police have been profiling for years and will continue to do it. They profile not just racially but buy the appearance of your vehicle. Many years ago I had to pass through this suburb to get to work and would get pulled over three days out of five by the same redheaded female officer. Yea of course I never received a ticket but just excuses that there have been a rash of burglaries in the area or that my tail light was not bright enough blah blah blah. But what else do you expect when passing though a wealthy North Shore community or any wealthy community in the USA? Experience the atmosphere of a police state for outsiders because the residents demand it!